Cell Phone Madness!!!

For this post we are going to engage in a debate. The debate has to do with cell phones. The question we will be debating is this: should ninth graders have cell phones? Here’s the background: Imagine that a certain ninth grade girl asks her father for a cell phone. The father (who does not have a cell phone, and does not want one) says no. The ninth grade girl insists, claiming that “all her friends have a cell phone.” The father remains unconvinced. “You are too young for a cell phone,” he says. “Wait until you start driving, then we will talk about it,” he says. “Cell phones cost money.”
The 3b class will be on the side of the father: stick up for him, and give good reasons why a cell phone is not needed. The 3a class will be on the side of the daughter: try to make the father see why a cell phone is a good idea.
You will need respond clearly to people in this forum. Make sure and write down the name(s) of the person(s) you are agreeing or disagreeing with in your post, so that we can tell what is going on in the discussion.
You have until Nov. 2 to post to this forum. The good people from National Honor Society will be the judges of which class wins the debate. Good luck!


20 Comments:
Ok, Anna, I'll play the part of the father.
First off, this girl isn't in sports, but even if she was, why couldn't she use one of her friends' cell phones? After all, "all her friends have a cell phone," she says. At the library doing work? I doubt it. Besides, the library has phones, for free. And so does her job. And the class trip... well... same as the bus scenario. Why not just borrow one from a friend? Not convinced.
10/28/05, 12:33 PM
It is extremely important for someone age 14, like me, to get a cell phone. Just ask my friends how many times they have tried to call me but couldn’t get in touch with me. Also, what if something happens, like an emergency, and I can't get in touch with my parents? Sure, friends have cell phones, but I bet they really get sick of always having to have me use up all their minutes. Yes, cell phones do cost money, but it’s for a very important cause. If the 14 year old could afford it, she would pay for it, but unfortunately, a ninth grader like myself does not have a very high income. I would be willing to pay for it partially. I need a cell phone because you are putting me in danger by not being able to contact someone in an emergency!
10/28/05, 12:41 PM
Emma, Ellen... what are you talking about?! This is an IMAGINARY ninth grade girl we are discussing. Please!
10/28/05, 1:14 PM
OK, Freshmen, here's the deal. Whichever class presents the best reasons (for or against) will be judged the winners by a panel of NHS students who are currently reading this thread. Judging results will be announced on Friday. The prizes will be announced on that day. Even if you totally disagree with the position you are defending, put your best effort into it. Respond to other people's arguments, specifically. Spell check your answers carefully and make sure you come back repeatedly.
Good luck!
10/31/05, 11:10 AM
Good points, Eric. I never thought about the stalker angle before!
10/31/05, 2:01 PM
Well thank you, ANA, at least somebody agrees with me! By the way, where is my class with this anyway? We have like 3 posts on my side! Just to make everything clear, I do, oh sorry, I mean, "The Imaginary 9th Grade Girl" does have a job, however, she would not be able to pay for a cell phone in full because she does have a limited income. and just so the "father" knows, most of the people who are against the girl actaully do have cell phones. like Jake, Jason, Nick etc.... the only reason theyre telling you not to get her one is because they are being forced to! why dont you let people express their own ACTUAL opinions instead of making them say something most of them dont even beleive in? If you could see how many people actually do agree that "the ninth grade girl" should have a cell phone, we might actually get somewhere...
10/31/05, 3:46 PM
well duh ben, no one is saying that the girl will "die" if she doesnt have a cell phone. we're just saying that it would be a really big help if she did. and yes, we have already established that Cell phones cost money, but i think that the girl would also be willing to pay a partial fee of the bill.
Eric's Comment that cell phones should be "banned from earth" is a little over the top. i bet you anything that if eric didnt have use of a cell phone, he might not have had a ride home on halloween...... cell phones are the only way of communicating with people who arent at home, and at our age, we're out of of the house a lot more often. just wait untill we start driving!
In response to arthur's comment, the fact that we go to a class D school makes no difference. the main point of getting a cell phone would be to contact parents, not pointless chatting with friends. i doubt the girl would call more than 2 friends a day depending on what she is doing, so the phone bill will probably not be that much since she wouldnt be using that many minutes.
11/1/05, 12:15 PM
Good point, NHSAnna... the cost issue is key to the argument. Unless of course you accept the "stalker" argument, which you apparently don't.
11/1/05, 1:50 PM
Bye, Leslie. Keep in touch with us, wherever you go! We will miss you too.
11/1/05, 2:01 PM
The link between cell phones and cancer is anecdotal at best. Here is an interesting article about how one might go about evaluating the health risk from cell phones.
Many of you make the point thatif your teen has a cell phone you can "always know where they are." This is simply not true. A cell phone allows a parent to call a kid and, if they answer, the kid can tell the parent that they are somewhere. They don't have to tell the parent where they actually are. "Almost home" is my favorite answer. Calling someone on a land line ensures that you know where they are. It's hard to talk on the landline at John's house unless you are actually at John's house.
Cell phones also make it possible to change plans on the fly. Before my girls got cell phones they needed to let me know where they were going, how they were getting there, and when they were coming home. Cell phones made it possible to call home and "inform" me when plans had changed.
Cell phone services only sell you the myth of constant connectivity. Actual connnectivity is spotty at best. I am amazed at people (adults and teens) who drive down the road watching their cell phone screen instead of the road, trying to see if they have any bars. In our house cell phones only work on the second floor, south side of the house, near the window. When Liz's phone rings she has to find her phone, grab it, and sprint upstairs before the voice mail picks up. If she manages to graduate without breaking a leg, it will be a miracle.
I refrained from getting a cell phone because they rely on those ugly towers that have sprung up on all of the hills. I didn't want to be the one new customer that made yet another tower needed. My kids got cell phones when they thought they could afford to pay for them, and they have learned that having monthly bills is just much fun. I couldn't stand spending real money on a gadget that never seems to work when you really need it.
Unfortunately, pay phones are getting scarcer and more expensive. They are also not being maintained as well as they used to be. The time is approaching when we will all have to carry cells if we want to be able to call home. But I don't think parents should be quick to rush out and solve their kids' problems. After all, you still let her stay home and use the phone there, right?
11/1/05, 11:19 PM
No problem, Anna. It's ok to go "slightly" off topic, since this issue does ultimately connect to the "responsibility" issue. I see the link...
Susan Och, thanks for your wise comments. I never thought of the environmental issue. In using cell phones we are indeed promoting the proliferation of those ugly towers everywhere. Good point! And your other point... "cell phones make it possible to change plans on the fly"... That is actually my number one objection. I am old. I like firm plans. It bugs me when plans change all of a sudden. It's a way of life that I don't buy into. Let's just make a plan to meet at such and such a restaurant, at such and such a time, and stick to it, unless some unforeseen emergency comes up, which is pretty darn rare. Let's make firm plans and stick to them, I say. That's a far more emotionally healthy way to live.
Mr. Gardner, good to hear from you too! Great to know you are reading our little blog.
11/2/05, 9:08 AM
A few ground rules.... Ana, Dustin, slow down. Think more, post less. I have deleted a few posts here because they are cluttering up the bandwidth. Limit yourself to maybe 2 or three posts per day, please.
11/2/05, 9:34 AM
Wow, cell phones, what a wide range of ideas and thoughts…
So, you have all sucked me into giving my opinion… Nice work!
First regarding Ana’s post…
My quote, “You were irresponsible to not lock something of value up, but it was a crime for someone to take it.” As to blame, again fault lies in the fact you could have taken better care of your property. But, in fairness, you committed no crime. It is a crime to steal, and if the person is caught, the fault is much more severe then just losing something of value.
Should a teenager be given a cell phone? Would I provide one for my daughter? In a world of ipods, cd’s, blender’s etc… Does anyone really need any of these? When the automobile arrived it was argued that it was not practical and the cost did not justify the means. I think many of you miss the obvious argument, a cell phone is a tool, that when used correctly and by educated users, revolutionizes the world of communication. In the most short sided example, they provide business owners an opportunity to move about freely, more productively, and provide access to some of the most remote places on earth. Like the automobile, the cell phone (wireless communication) is changing the world we live in, regardless of which side you stand on. It is inevitably a force of change that one cannot escape, even in the most remote rainforests of the world. Like those who fought against the so-called “evil” automobile and lost, opponents of cell phone (wireless communication) fail to see the big picture. Who best to provide instruction regarding appropriate use, management, value, etc… etc… then a parent?! So yes, I would provide my (future) teenage daughter with a cell phone, but interestingly not for any of my reasons above. I simply would feel more comfortable in the new world of post 911, sick perverted people, drugs, yada yada, that she has one more tool available to reach me at any given moment or vice versa!
11/2/05, 1:06 PM
No one has addressed the lack of civility that cell phone use allows. I wish all cell phone owners would read this column and then ask themselves if they are guilty, too.
A work we had a "crisis queen" who called her family every break, loudly discussing various family members' romantic entanglements and medical problems. What a pain!
Cell phones save battery energy by not broadcasting the sound of your own voice back to you in the earpiece. That's why everyone talks so loud when they're using a cell phone. How often have you learned way too much about a total stranger from their cell conversation?
If I were a stalker, I would be looking for a young women talking on her cell, oblivious to her surroundings, and providing way more information than anybody needs to know.
11/2/05, 2:12 PM
Actually, Carolina, it could have been a ninth grade boy. I just wanted to make it specific. Notice that I also mentioned that it was a dad... but it could have been a mom in the example. Same idea.
And who is "lying"? It's just adopting a position for a debate... a very good skill to learn!
11/2/05, 2:41 PM
I agree with Mr. Smith regarding gender option and developing good communication skills. Also, the topic was very appropriate to learn debate. I was very impressed with the thought each of you have put into your writing (posts).
Keep up the good work! I look forward to reading your thoughts on the next topic.
11/2/05, 3:43 PM
Thanks, Anna. Sorry I erased your previous post. You make some good points here.
11/3/05, 1:33 PM
Just a note to start the day here: Dustin, I just deleted two of your posts. That makes a total of about ten so far. One of today's posts was deleted because it was just a short nothing. The other was deleted because (as Liz rightly put it) you are damaging your side by not checking your writing. There is really no excuse. So, instead of doing the written equivalent of "talking just to hear yourself talk", just stay off the blog for today, please.
Other good point made by Liz: iPods don't have a monthly bill. Why didn't I think of that one?!
11/4/05, 8:18 AM
The ninth grade girl needs to ask herself whether she wants to live her own life or continue her existence as doll-like extension of her parents' lives, accessorized (or not) according to their whims.
If she really wants a cell phone, she can save her money. When she has enough in the bank to cover the initial fees and the first 6 or 8 months payments, she can go to her parents, show them the plan, and ask them to co-sign the contract.
Of course, it will take a while to save that much. That's why people who of independent means save all the time, not just when they want something. In order to accumulate money, she will have to practice deciding whether or not each opportunity to send a buck or two is a need or a want. This is good practice for becoming a woman of independent means; no one, not even parents, has infinite amounts of cash to spend. Financial independence means being able to say no to everyone who wants to spend your money and saving it for what is truly important to you.
Having her own cell will enhance her income, since she can use it to maintain her babysitting business. She'll casually let it be known that it is her responsibilty to buy and maintain the phone, enhancing her reputation as a person who is forward-thinking and trustworthy. She''l be able to charge top-dollar and they will book her weeks or month in advance.
Her friends' parents will keep buying their kids the latest and greatest whatever. After all, it makes them look good if their kids have lots of toys. Our ninth grade girl just says "Whatever". She knows that what she's got is her own.
Dad might just want to think this through now, and buy her the dang phone. Once she gets a taste of financial independence, he won't have veto power over anything she wants to do. Money is power! Next thing she'll want to buy stilletto heels and a motorcycle and start making regular contributions to the Republican Action Fund.
Dad will be reduced to stutterring "But...but...but..." and she'll just look at him with a pitying gaze and tell him again "It's my money..."
Better ante up and buy her a phone before it's too late...
11/4/05, 11:15 AM
Thanks, NHS, for a very well thought out decision. We appreciate your involvement in our blog. Your evaluation is fair and well explained. I agree - it was a close one! Hope you will continue to stop by for a chat now and then....
Mr. Smith
11/7/05, 3:24 PM
Post a Comment
<< Home